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    Default LE5 intake manifold onto L61

    (sorry about picture quality)(2008 Cobalt, all others similar)

    The parts youll need, the 2.4 manifold, crankcase passage seal(seal with metal insert), throttle body gasket, and a power brake booster hose solution. I chose to purchase the 2.4's hose, all you need to do is lengthen yours. Make sure your intake has the insert thats highlighted here, it supports the TB gasket. My first intake didnt have it, so I had to order another intake(this piece isnt avail seperately)

    Required tools: torque wrench capable of 10nM or 89inlbs. (ignore the Loctite, it isnt needed) a 10mm socket. A universal one like this is best, but a plain socket and a u-joint will work, and you can make do without the universal at all if need be. an extension for your socket(approx 6" is easiest to use). ratchet for your extension/socket(note I am using 1/4" drive, thats all thats needed) a medium-small straight blade screwdriver, a 10mm wrench, ratcheting box as pictured is prefered, as it makes job easier, but you can use a plain wrench too. A tool to remove wire retainers from intake(your screwdriver or a pair of pliers would work too Not shown is a way to enlarge MAP hole, a file, 1/2" sanding barrel, or 15/32" drill bit is what is needed.(2007-08 L61 owners need to enlarge hole to slightly larger than .465" so your MAP sensor fits.)

    This is what the stock manifold/throttle body bolt positions look like. I have the GMPP induction kit.

    The first step is to disconnect your battery, just like any time you need to disconnect harnesses on the car or work near starter.
    Then with your straight screwdriver remove your intake tube.(note, I chose not to remove the entire assembly, just the throttle body coupler, this is simply technician habit, its actually easier to remove entire induction setup to get room to work/see) Then with your retainer remover of choice, go about removing the push-in retainers that hold the harness to the manifold. They run down the passenger side of the manifold and down to the center. When you have them all disconnect youll be able to lift the harness out of the way and it will look something like this:

    Now you can remove the lock(grey part) from the TB connector by sliding it away from TB and disconnect the TB harness from the TB. Use your 10mm socket to remove the 4 bolts holding TB on. (you can discard the 2.2 TB gasket)Place it aside where it wont get dirty or nicked. Now youve got as clear access to the oil dipstick/AC hose brakcet as youre gonna get, using your 10mm wrench, or ratchet remove the one bolt highlighted here.(its about an inch long)

    Now is where the universal socket comes in handy. Remove the MAP sensor connector from sensor by pushing down on tab, then with yoursocket on the extension remove the bolt that secures the sensor by accessing it from in between the fuel rail and valve cover. A magnet, needle pliers or skinny pliers will be needed to retrieve the bolt. Lift up on the sensor and remove it, placing it safely with the TB, be careful not to get dirt in the orifice.

    Now you need to remove the EVAP purge line from the manifold. This is the black plastic hose that connect on top of manifold near TB, it uses a unique quick release that is very easy to disengage, but also very easy to break if you force it. There is a little nub that you lift up(away from manifold) on and then slide to the side, motion highlighted below.

    Now you need to turn your attention to the brake hose. Reach in through all the hoses and harnesses on the drivers side til you reach the power brake booster. pull the hose out of booster(its going to hiss) Once the hose is released from booster you need to look for the manifold connection, its on lower drivers side of manifold, partially obscured from view by oil filter housing. When you can see the connection youll see a white tab, this is the lock for the hose. you need to grasp the hose and spin it approx 180* until you can see underside of lock as in picture. Then using a screwdriver(or fingers) push the lock tabs in as pictured. remove hose.(this step may be easier for some people with the manifold bolts removed)

    Using your 10mm socket remove the 2 nuts and 5 bolts that secure manifold to head.(there are 2 nuts and 1 bolt along top of manifold, and 4 bolts along bottom) Remove manifold from engine bay. it may seem like it wont come out, but it will. rotate top of manifold off of studs and then twist/grunt/jerk. With manifold out you can remove the 4 intake port seals. Be cautious not to damage these, because as long as they arent cut or SWOLLEN you can reuse them. If they are gummy or seem bigger than the spot they fit in youll need new ones. DO NOT SPRAY THESE WITH CARB CLEANER, 2+2, BRAKE KLEEN, ETC>>>>> It will ruin them. just wipe them off with a rag if they are oily or dirty.

    Now install the intake seals from the 2.2 onto the 2.4 manifold, install your new TB seal, and install your new crankcase passage seal(this seal is highlighted in pic, and has different colors on each side, it doesnt matter what color/side is facing out) Notice how much more massive the 2.2 manifold is than the 2.4 manifold, its not an illusion, there is also a huge weight difference.


    (2007-08 only)Now the most difficult part of the install, you need to enlarge the hole on the 2.4 manifold
    MAP sensor hole to accept your MAP sensor. You need to enlarge the hole by.060" or 1.5mm. the quickest way is probably a 1/2" flap wheel like used for porting. You could obviously do it by hand with a file, or the route I chose(because I was out of flap wheels) was a cordless drill and a 15/32" drill bit. You need to enlarge the hole to a point about 1/2" down into hole. Try not to damaged the small orifice at botom of hole. regardless of you method, be sure to take your time, only enlarge the hole just as much as needed, dont crack the manifold(especially large concern if using a drill GO SLOW WITH DRILL) and make sure you clean ALL debris from manifold. Squirt some parts cleaner from the plenum side out through hole just to be sure its clear.


    To install simply reverse the removal procedure with a few exceptions.

    When installing the TB You need to remove the TB bolt from the oddly place hole in upper left, and place it into the open location slightly below it, now the bolts are in a regular rectnagle pattern.(pre '07s will need the CED adapter plate)


    When installing the power brake hose it now attaches to large nipple immediately below TB
    (the pic below is upside down in relation to how you will view nipple with manifold installed on car. Also note the highlighted area. This is epoxy. I had to epoxy this nipple back on because one of my jackass fellow techs knocked the manifold off my box and this shot the f*ck across the shop Be careful with manifold its fairly delicate, also pay close attn to the EVAP nipple above the TB


    When installing the bolt for the oil dipstick/AC hose support bracket, you are not going to put bolt back in same hole in bracket. The 2.4 manifold doesn have a threadsert there. Youll need to install the bolt in the hole in the bottom of the bracket, below the AC line


    ALL BOLTS that were removed get retorqued to 10nM/89inlb. This includes the TB bolts, the intake manifold bolts, the support braket bolt.(the MAP sensor bolt isnt reused)


    There arent enough spots on the new 2.4 manifold to resecure all of the harness retainers you removed. the major ones are there, but the ones up top near the coolant hose are missing. Secure harnesses together with zipties, or let them go commando(theres not really anything they can get caught in, and there will be minimal slack.


    This install including epoxying the brake nipple fiasco and taking pictures took me 35 minutes. Ive done this 2 or 3(dozen) times before though, So I would plan on a solid hour and a half (or significantly more if you dont have recommended tools)to do this swap

    I dont recommend a helper, but an audience may be fun.

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    excellent write up

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    done this! awesome mod.

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    thanks!

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    any of you have dyno's for this mod? the one time i saw a dyno sheet for this it showed a gain of something like 11 or 12 hp in the top end, and a loss of torque of about 8 or 9ft/lbs in the bottom end of the power range. no offense to anyone that thinks this is a good mod but unless a good tune changes that torque number to come up a little bit, (or unless your'e building an actual racecar) you all just wasted money as that loss of low end punch is gonna end up hurting your overall power for "light to light" driving.

    an easier, and possibly better idea would be to think about portmatching your stock l61 manifold. i know on the 03-05 l61's the port's on the head are quite a bit smaller than the ports on the manifold. very restrictive. you can also do some porting around the throttle body connection in the manifold. just some food for thought as when i did this mod, i noticed a nice high end gain and no loss of power down low. of course this is all based on butt dyno, but i know people that have done the le5 mani swap could feel a larger pull in the top end but could also feel the power loss in the bottom end. no bueno.
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    good point ^^^ HOWEVAH butt dynos are not a good answer tho'. A real a/b on the dyno after tuning b to match the revision from a , and maybe I can see your point. But for n/a motors the fact is you want more power you will have to rev more; thats it/ thats all.

    unless.....your force it. lol
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    I have no primary dyno but I can def tell you a tune made this mod even better. Got back the low end I lost and still kept good high rpm gains. After tune put down 143/131 on mustang dyno

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    What else did you have on it beside the manifold when you took it to the dyno?

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    K&N sri, 2.4 mani, racing solutions shorty header, lsj downpipe, 2.25 custom corsa exhaust, lightened flywheel, hptuned by blackbaltsw

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    Wow with all that I would have thought it would have more hp, closer to the 160-170 range.

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    I dont know we all thought it was going to be 125 range, was happy with that. Most lsj's on same day and dyno were around 230-240 range for reference.

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    Im guessing they were stage 2 or so then? 125 is what they should dyno stock, maybe even a bit more. Thats taking into account 15% drivetrain loss and I know cobalts dont have that much, its more like 10-12%. I really want to take my car to the dyno and get a baseline before I start putting to many parts on it. Maybe your dyno reads a bit low, or the tune isnt the greatest? Also I think the 2.4 TB would help too, so maybe 143 isnt that far off. That and its a mustang dyno which tend to read a bit lower than others.

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    yeah werks dyno reads a little low. This was just really baseline for turbo setup going on very soon! A stock malibu I think it was, with 2.2 put down 117 that day also. Tune is good, pulls all the way up to 7k, and surprise a lot of people on the streets. 2.4tb is sitting next to me will go on with turbo stuffs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brags View Post
    yeah werks dyno reads a little low. This was just really baseline for turbo setup going on very soon! A stock malibu I think it was, with 2.2 put down 117 that day also. Tune is good, pulls all the way up to 7k, and surprise a lot of people on the streets. 2.4tb is sitting next to me will go on with turbo stuffs
    does it spin first gear? Ive never seen a vid of a fully bolted L61 race anyone so idk how fast it would be lol. What types of cars were you able to beat on the street that you couldnt with a stock 2.2?

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    Def spins tires first gear, and with nice cool weather lately, spins into second. Off the line I have taken stage 2 lsj's till hit third. Mostly hondas, tons around me, one turbo civic in my hood got him by car length( not sure what engine or turbo). Fully bolted na lancers, even some stock v8 stangs(older not new 5.0 obviously). By no means fast haha, but does trick for now. for full disclosure also have: powell rotated trany mounts, lnf front sway, powell rear sway, tc struts/shocks, pedders, exedy stage 1 clutch, I think thats it haha. Check out my build thread for whats going on soon!

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    sorry .. if it spins 1st and 2nd.. you need new tires.. lol even with almost double the WTQ you had with GOOD tires i would hook in the right conditions :P

    that is a bit low.. i know an 04 ion with the same mods + the 2.4 TB (cept the header/ dp was the lsj header/dp) and he put down 167 on a mustang dyno

    some go fast mods i whistle and sneeze now

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    Actually tires are less than month old. Not really concerned about numbers now anyway will have 200 hp more soon and car is running great in mean time

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    Why are we talking tires in a how to thread?

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    Sorry, back to topic good easy mod for 2.2's

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    Quote Originally Posted by elecblue06 View Post
    sorry .. if it spins 1st and 2nd.. you need new tires.. lol even with almost double the WTQ you had with GOOD tires i would hook in the right conditions :P

    that is a bit low.. i know an 04 ion with the same mods + the 2.4 TB (cept the header/ dp was the lsj header/dp) and he put down 167 on a mustang dyno
    what he said.

    also i know the butt dyno means nothing. but that's all i have to go on for referance at this point. i know the guy i saw a dyno sheet for was still working with his tuning but was never ever to bring that low end torque number back up. only reason i'd stay away from this mod myself. having more wtq than whp is what gives these car's there "pep". start taking that wtq number down and it's not so fun anymore.

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