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    Default How-to: change your intercooler pump (LSJ's)

    *Thanks RailHomie and Ahriman for your contributions.

    Supplies:

    Obviously, a new intercooler pump. The pump is produced by Bosch and was used in Ford Cobras and Lightnings, I found mine on eBay for ~$100 shipped


    Tools: There are many ways to go about this install, but these are the tools that I used from top down/left to right.
    • Socket Wrench with extension and knuckle; 13mm OR [(not shown)3/8" drive ratchet with only a 13mm socket]
    • Vice grip
    • Wrench
    • Two modified vice grips (see below) OR [(not shown) a hose clamp tool, see post 6]
    • Needle nose pliers
    • 13 mm wrench

    NOT shown:
    • Car Jack
    • Stand
    • Bucket/cup
    • Razor/sharp knife (may or may not be needed)
    • Dexcool antifreeze/ water 50/50 mix


    The modified vice grips have pieces of rubber hose slid over both ends. These are used to clamp the intercooler fluid hoses and the added rubber hose protects from damage with the clamp.


    1.Jack up the car on the right side near the front and use a jack stand to support the car. Never rely on a jack alone to hold the car!



    In the middle of the car on the underside just behind the radiator and heat exchanger, you'll find the old pump held by a bracket.


    2. Disconnect the wire connector from the right side of the pump.



    (These pictures are taken laying down with the bottom of the picture being towards the front of the car and the top being towards the back)

    3. Take out the bolts

    Using the a 13mm wrench, loosen the bottom bolt holding the bracket in place.


    The second bolt is above the pump, and can therefore not be seen in the picture. To remove this bolt, either

    1. use the 13mm socket wrench with extender and knuckle. The extender adds length to the wrench and the knuckle allows the end to angle and meet the bolt. Here it shows this being used going around the frame to reach the bolt

    or 2.
    Quote Originally Posted by Railhomie
    use a 3/8" drive ratchet with only a 13mm socket on it to get to the top pump mount bolt by sliding it between the mount and the frame


    The pump is now free except for the hoses


    This is the piece of the bracket that was removed to free the pump. It has a rubber ring on it that encircles the pump.


    4. Clamp the hoses

    There are two hoses (in and out) that need to be clamped so fluid won't drain once the pump is removed. Either,

    1.Use the modified vice grips to pinch off the hoses as far away from the pump as you can, you'll need the extra space.

    or 2. use the hose clamp tool if you decided to use one


    5. Remove the metal ring clamps around the hose and the pump inlet/outlets.

    This takes some ingenuity, and there are some decisions to make so read ahead for this step. Space is tight, so try to use the sliding wrench, needle nose pliers, unmodified vice grip (whichever works best) to get a hold of the clamp and push the two pieces together. Try to wiggle the metal clamps up hose away from the pump. You may even want to try a flathead screw driver to help pry/push the hose off.

    When you get either hose off some coolant will come out of the hoses and pump! Antifreeze is very dangerous so watch your mouth (as in getting any in it) when doing this! If you can try to have the bucket ready to catch the fluid.

    Someone at GM decided it would be smart to glue the clamps to the outside of the hose with adhesive that holds tiles on space shuttles. As you can see, I got the clamp off but the end of the hose was slightly damaged. I had to cut straight both hoses just under the damage with a razor (you have enough hose to work with, don't worry).


    It was hard to remove the clamps glued to the hose so if yours doesn't slide up easy, you may want to go ahead and cut the hose above the metal ring clamps, remove them from the ends, and slide them on the fresh ends.

    The pump is now off




    6. Install new pump

    Reverse the uninstall process on this one.
    • Reattach hoses to correct nozzles on pump
    • Slide clamps back down over hose/ pump ends
    • Remove vice grip clamps
    • Situate pump and use bracket to secure
    • Read next step for wires

    7.Reattach the wires to your pump

    Do research on the TSB about the pump wires being reversed. There is a great thread about this that was started by Amishland (http://www.redlineforums.com/forums/...b-05-06-a.html). Basically, on all 04's and some 05's the wires were reversed from the factory. The positive (all black) wire was connected to the negative terminal on the pump and the negative (black and white) to the positive. The pump terminals are indicated on the pump housing

    I had mine fixed by a dealer but by all means makes sure yours are correct. This is probably the reason you just replaced your pump!



    After you are sure that your wires are correct, reattach the wiring harness.

    8. Lower your car and watch in amazement the movement in the filler neck! The pump starts 10 seconds after you start your car (as in crank and engine running, the key simply in the "run" position does not work).

    Because you were probably low on the 50/50 mix of dexcool water mix (the high temps evaporated some liquid), you may need to add some and there may be some air in your system.

    I let my car run for about ten minutes and slowly added nearly a pint over a few courses of letting the fluid level lower after adding some. You may need to do this for several days after trips to get all of the bubbles out. Also, you may decide to try using the bleeder bolt on the stock heat exchanger...
    Quote Originally Posted by RailHomie
    Yeah, I saw the bleeder bolt thing in an old thread. Take off the pass. headlight and find the top of the intercooler (heat exchanger), the one behind the A/C condenser, I think. There's a smallish (10mm?) aluminum plug sticking out of the top of the HE, you can't miss it. I ran the pump with that plug almost falling out and it bubbled and weeped al ittle, so you have to watch it, but fill it until it starts coming out. Also, be careful putting it back in, it'll strip really easily since it's aluminum, and you want it to seal!

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    I am working on installing a real pump

    Might be a project for today even...

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    Quote Originally Posted by twzted View Post
    I am working on installing a real pump

    Might be a project for today even...
    As long as the flow rate isn't much higher than the bosche...

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    This is a good how too. I used it when I replaced my pump. It really is fairly easy to do following these instructions but it was not a fun job though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCStateRedline View Post
    As long as the flow rate isn't much higher than the bosche...
    isn't much high than bosche, uh what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTMR View Post
    This is a good how too. I used it when I replaced my pump. It really is fairly easy to do following these instructions but it was not a fun job though.
    Thanks! It's a pretty straight forward task but I think this also helps people get comfortable working with the intercooler system (i.e adding heat exchangers, changing hose routing, etc.). It is a huge pain though, not looking forward to doing it again. I have about 30k on the one I installed, another replacement should be coming up soon .

    Quote Originally Posted by twzted
    isn't much high than bosche, uh what?
    It has been shown over and over again that the bosche provides the closest to optimum rate of flow for our system compared to most if not all other pumps.

    Too slow of flow rate and the coolant isn't moving fast enough to get the job done, too fast and there isn't enough time for optimum heat exchange at either the laminova coils or heat exchanger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCStateRedline View Post
    It has been shown over and over again that the bosche provides the closest to optimum rate of flow for our system compared to most if not all other pumps.

    Too slow of flow rate and the coolant isn't moving fast enough to get the job done, too fast and there isn't enough time for optimum heat exchange at either the laminova coils or heat exchanger.
    Hmm, I haven't heard anything of it, I been planning on doing this for some time now, got some info from engineers and what they used on the time attack cobalt, so that is what i am goin with, and it is by far more than the bosche

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    you dont know any engineers........

    I havent heard anything Id believe about the Bosch pump being the optimum part for the job either. Its pretty damn rare that a mass produced part off an econobox is the best solution for a given system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maven View Post
    you dont know any engineers........

    I havent heard anything Id believe about the Bosch pump being the optimum part for the job either. Its pretty damn rare that a mass produced part off an econobox is the best solution for a given system.
    I just talked to one of the engineers working on the LNF stg1 upgrade, and we talked about some stuff and what they used on the TA cobalt(for cooling)...then I drove the stg1 around this was a while ago, like august last year

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    Quote Originally Posted by twzted View Post
    Hmm, I haven't heard anything of it, I been planning on doing this for some time now, got some info from engineers and what they used on the time attack cobalt, so that is what i am goin with, and it is by far more than the bosche
    when the time attack cobalt ran in the time attack competition (that was my job) it had a stock bosch pump. sometimes the revisionist history drives me crazy. maybe the engineer you are talking to is the the one that figured a working ice bath would work , even though the math didnt support it...the first one build by GM didnt work. The one I built did work, but like I said the math didnt support it...

    as for the much maligned Bosch pump being no good? the mustang s/c uses it. the mercedes benz kompressor uses it. Wire it right, works good for me.. it doesnt last the life of the car but neither do the tires, the brakes, the clutch etc....so getoverit.com
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    PS good How to from NC, but you left out BANDAIDS....lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwikredline View Post
    it doesnt last the life of the car but neither do the tires, the brakes, the clutch etc....so getoverit.com
    LOL, very true. And something better is way more expensive and complex to install.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwikredline View Post
    PS good How to from NC, but you left out BANDAIDS....lol
    That's a given for any how to

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    Quote Originally Posted by twzted View Post
    Hmm, I haven't heard anything of it, I been planning on doing this for some time now, got some info from engineers and what they used on the time attack cobalt, so that is what i am goin with, and it is by far more than the bosche
    listen up time attack used stock bosch pump that is all
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    pardon my rudeness but everytime the time attack car was left at GM they managed to damage it and we would have to fix it. The last time we repaired it they jacked it on the fuel cell.
    In the quest for power god bless them, Bill Duncan tried really hard and worked long, with fancy cams etc but the motors kept blowing up. The engine that ran time attack used stock cams with adjustable timing gears, and NOS. It ran perfect was very strong about 400 hp; but once again disaster struck when instead of loading it up after putting every one on the trailer and setting an incredible, untouchable one lap win overall with Heinricy behind the wheel in all his awesomeness....the program manager insisted on one more run.

    it blew up.

    that is all.
    forget the fancy pump. stick with what works.
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    Nice write up! I need to replace my intercooler pump. I have it, just gotta install it now.

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    at what mileage intervals would you suggest changing the pump


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofofernando View Post
    at what mileage intervals would you suggest changing the pump
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    Replace it when the water doesn't swirl in the filler neck anymore.
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    thanks i figures it was a if it aint broke dont fix it type thing but wasnt sure


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