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    WHO WE ARE:
    I wrote this August 26 2007 and updated it when my work out buddy Dianne got hurt in the gym in jan 2008. Dianne has since moved to Calgary and will be back this weekend for a visit (and a workout) so here are some thoughts on exercise based on what I wrote three years ago.

    Hajnal is my phsyio therapist.
    Gloria is Kweenredline here
    My mother, 96 now lives with me.
    Chelsea is my daughter. In 2010 she discovered martial arts training. I don’t want to get in an argument with her.

    Back in 07:

    "Yesterday Dianne hurt herself( lower back muscles spasm with pain in the right leg, doing squats with low weight on a 2/4 second rep cycle, about 30 seconds (3 or 4 reps in) into the second set of barbell squats at 65 lbs. I noted to her that she was rotating the barbell counterclockwise as she descended, and she was trying to correct that rotation.

    Coincidentally yesterday, Hajnal suffered for no reason, from a back/right leg muscle spasm most of the day…
    Gloria: since cutting out all additional salt, has lost significantly excess fat in the tricep area, stomach etc.
    Chelsea: switched back to Curves to workout (she actually trained folks at the local Curves in Port Perry for some years) and is doing better than ever, see the update martial arts kick boxking skip rope sparring ugh!.
    John: bigger, stronger happier (with his workouts) than ever.
    So that’s where we are; lets see what I said in August 2007!
    “Talking to Dianne in the gym today it is clear to me that we all have different points of view and issues. For those of us addicted to the gym maybe overtraining is a potential problem.
    • For some of us, it may be nutrition
    • Or it may be not exercising enough or at all.
    Here are some points I would like to pass along to all this small group of friends. Lets check in with who they are:
    My mother was living on her own in early 07, and I had a professional personal training specialist guide her through basic exercise. Soon after that she was hospitalized and in July 07 moved down to live with me. Bottom line? Not enough food / she got sick. Now with the correct food in 2010/11 she sees a doctor every six months and is off all her heart meds; her alzheimers has slowed its advance. Short term memory is not improving but she is fully independent and able to do most anything including sweeping snow off the porch.
    Dianne, Gloria, Chelsea Hajnal and myself – hit the gym at different levels – Dianne totally almost every day, me 5 out of 7, Gloria 4 out of 7 and Chelsea consistently three times a week. Hajnal twice a week.


    Now lets check in on nutrition and hydration first:

    It is different things - too much, or not enough food, or not often enough with meals, or maybe junk food, and maybe not enough hydration. At this point I am convinced that if you don’t track the calories consumed, it is virtually impossible to be sure you are eating enough or too much. I have noticed that myself I think I have eaten well - five meals (3 full meals plus snacks of fruit or whatever) but its only 1500 calories when I need 2100. The analysis shows grade A, but its just not enough food! I urge all of you to google caloriecount.com and check it out. You need 1.5 litres of water to be healthy. Cut out pop, fast food etc. Read the labels on food. 1500 mg of sodium is your max daily requirement. Salt and sugar added are deadly to health. Without good nutrition all is lost.

    Then there is the actual training. Whatever you do, with weights or not, you have to challenge the body or your body will challenge you! After age 25 or so you can no longer burn your body up without damage.

    • High Intensity training HIT: (work out at a weight and exercise within the repetition range selected so you cannot do anymore reps with good form)
    • Consistent: You gotta work out or go to the gym regularly. Whatever your exercise frequency you got to do it! But be consistently irregular!
    • Irregular: keep changing your exercise routine. Monthly is probably best, but that speaks to the exercise range. The actual exercises, (machine, free weights whatever) need to change, probably with each workout. We all have our favorite machines and exercises that we like generally because they are the ones we can lift the most weight, and look the best doing it! But your muscles have a memory for this and to hypertrophy properly they need to be hit different ways.
    • Stretching: after each group of exercise, and after warming up, and if you can deep tissue massage therapy with a professional.


    On Friday just to do something different and mindful of a personal trainers comments that you don’t necessarily need weight to make a difference, I tried body weight ball squats ( large ball in the small of your back, leaning against a wall, and then simply squat down and up in a 2 second down 2 second up repetition. WOW! Next day my quadriceps were screaming. Gloria reports that she had to crawl out of bed in the a.m., and I went to Mosport and walked corner to corner on Saturday just to loosen up.


    On Sunday back to the gym after a day off, I ran into Dianne doing probably 45 minutes of cardio on the treadmill, the stepper and the elliptical. I think she was due for a day off but she told me she has a hard time not working out every day; that’s the addictive part of all this. Not a bad addiction to have, but give cause to ponder, why is it addictive?
    Of course I have an answer. Here is what I read; It’s a question of aerobic and anaerobic exercise. Dianne is a junkie for oxygen!

    Point 1: Strictly speaking, the terms "aerobic" and "anaerobic" refer to the presence and absence of oxygen, respectively. Most of our cells prefer to get their energy by using oxygen to fuel metabolism. During exercise with adequate fuel and oxygen (i.e., aerobic), muscle cells can contract repeatedly without fatigue. During anaerobic or non-oxygen conditions (i.e., higher intensity exercise), muscle cells must rely on other reactions that do not require oxygen to fuel muscle contraction.



    Point 2. The problem with the terms "aerobic" and "anaerobic" when applied to exercise is that we actually never switch from total aerobic to total anaerobic metabolic conditions. In reality, the more intensely we exercise, the greater the need for anaerobic energy production. Consequently, it is best to view the terms aerobic and anaerobic as transitions in metabolism, where the proportion between aerobic and anaerobic metabolism changes depending on exercise intensity.


    Point 3. However, as exercise intensity increases, the need for energy release eventually exceeds that which can be supplied by aerobic metabolism. Our muscles simply need more reactions to support the energy demand. Therefore, anaerobic contribution to metabolism increases. When this happens, we refer to this change in metabolism as a metabolic threshold. This metabolic threshold represents the exercise intensity where we start to produce those waste products of anaerobic metabolism that can eventually lead to fatigue. You see this all the time when watching endurance Olympic events, such as a long distance running race. The athletes run at a pace that hovers around their metabolic threshold, and they can only afford to run faster than this pace near the end of the race. If they increase their pace too early in the race, then they fatigue too early and need to slow down to below their metabolic threshold to recover from the fatigue inducing waste products. This would result in poor performance.


    And now back to Dianne. I am thinking that as she is very fit, and lean, that the long periods of cardio activity on whatever elliptical machine she chooses, is causing an oxygen rush that sustains her and makes feel good. Note that she is so fit, she really doesn’t fatigue much, and that oxygen rush feels good, so she does it a lot.
    So what’s the problem with this?
    I think you can hurt yourself, and run yourself down through an imbalance – too much cardio in this case, and then making errors lifting weights; it may not happen right away, but it can and probably will, happen when you least expect it!


    Point 4. reading another article it is suggested that “The best way to incorporate cardio into your training is to do it in a completely different session then your weight training. If you plan on doing both weights and cardio in the same session, do the weights first.


    There are two major reasons for this:
    • First, doing cardio before weights will pre-fatigue your muscles, limiting your weight training. Doing cardio after weights will not. (my note: I believe a cardio warm up for five minutes does not qualify as pre-fatiguing muscles)
    • Second, weight training will serve as a sort of pre-exhaust for cardio; lowering your blood sugar and allowing you to burn fat immediately after you start cardio. If you do cardio first, it will take about 20 minutes before you really start to burn fat ”
    Notice that most of these web site articles reference fat burning. None of us in this group are really fat, but only two of us (Hajnal and Dianne) are really lean. I am not far off and my Mum while not fat needs to get the whole body working and Gloria and Chelsea are running at the higher end of their ideal body mass index.

    So rest is good. Nutrition is good. Some intense exercise at least twice a week is essential. 7 days a week is too much. 3 – 4 days a week I think is ideal."


    That’s all I got for now.
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    Good post John. What most people do not realize is that metabolism is directly related to meal frequency, meal size and meal quality. Eat good quality healty small meals 6-8 times a day and watch what happens even if you do not change your exercise routine you will become leaner. Small logs placed on the fire constantly keep it burning hot, but large logs placed on the fire infrequently cause the fire to grow cold or go out completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator View Post
    Good post John. large logs placed on the fire infrequently cause the fire to grow cold or go out completely.
    Thanks for the bennies, all was good until you commented on my sex drive....
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    ps stalled at 30 on dips. gotta get stronger. But did 40 reps of walking lunges with 70 lbs on my shoulders...
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwikredline View Post
    Thanks for the bennies, all was good until you commented on my sex drive....
    LOL what? That was a metabolism metaphor not a sex drive metaphor LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwikredline View Post
    ps stalled at 30 on dips. gotta get stronger. But did 40 reps of walking lunges with 70 lbs on my shoulders...
    I need to see if I can top my PR of 70 dips. Chest is too sore to try today. I will try wednesday.

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    That part bout card an weight training gets me...

    I hear people say that all the time, but its what i do... almost overtime.
    I always do a lil cardio (bike, run) for bout 20-30 minutes(warm up for 5-7 and actually GO for the rest) an the I do my work out, on jus card days, I'll do jus cardio, but i always mix it in like that tho
    I smoke 2 much not to do that lol

    Folk always say it'll wear em out 2 much, but I can't get focused, or amped while im liftin unless i do some kind of card.. I don't really like takin ♠♠♠♠

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    I hate the idea of a gym, so boring. I go m-w-f rock climb (mostly indoor) strictly bouldering, I can't seem to get into rope/lead climbing and t-th I run a couple miles or hike switching every week. Weekends are off aside from the occasional Saturday climb or hike, why live in such a great state for outdoor activity to not use it! Love year round outdoors go AZ! Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Mastashake View Post
    That part bout card an weight training gets me...

    I hear people say that all the time, but its what i do... almost overtime.
    I always do a lil cardio (bike, run) for bout 20-30 minutes(warm up for 5-7 and actually GO for the rest) an the I do my work out, on jus card days, I'll do jus cardio, but i always mix it in like that tho
    I smoke 2 much not to do that lol

    Folk always say it'll wear em out 2 much, but I can't get focused, or amped while im liftin unless i do some kind of card.. I don't really like takin ♠♠♠♠
    If you are doing heavy cardio (20-30minutes or more high intensity) before you lift especially legs you will have exhausted your muscles so you will sacrifice your weight training benefits to some degree. When I lift I tend to cram what most people would do in 90-120 minutes into 30-45 minutes, I rest only 30-45 seconds between sets normally so I keep my heart rate up at 145-155 BPM for 30-45 minutes strait. Most think weight training is anerobic but that applies only to low reps, low volume (less sets) and long rest periods. Weight training can be both anerobic and aerobic if performed a certain way. High reps, moderate to heavy weight, little to no rest, and many sets will make weight training both anerobic and aerobic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Mastashake View Post
    That part bout card an weight training gets me...

    I hear people say that all the time, but its what i do... almost overtime.
    I always do a lil cardio (bike, run) for bout 20-30 minutes(warm up for 5-7 and actually GO for the rest) an the I do my work out, on jus card days, I'll do jus cardio, but i always mix it in like that tho
    I smoke 2 much not to do that lol

    Folk always say it'll wear em out 2 much, but I can't get focused, or amped while im liftin unless i do some kind of card.. I don't really like takin ♠♠♠♠
    all good but QUIT SMOKING IT WILL KILL U EARLY.
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    what do you guys do when you get sick? Cut any working out completely until you feel better? I had just started running and doing my normal lifting then BAM got a good cold this past Friday. I usually just rest until I feel up to it to work out again.

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    hmm maybe.. I've heard that but haven't seen any factual evidence yet.. hmmm lol Yer rig tho, but.. not yet... mmm na I've been doin like Terminator said last couple of weeks tho, high reps, bout 4-5 sets, Medium weight. then about 20 min in the sauna.. I'm pretty good by the time I get out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northvibe View Post
    what do you guys do when you get sick? Cut any working out completely until you feel better? I had just started running and doing my normal lifting then BAM got a good cold this past Friday. I usually just rest until I feel up to it to work out again.
    if you get sick bed rest lots of fluids. Otherwise I keep working out. Some days I have no energy at the end of the day I get so frustrated with stuff (imagine .nub all day long lol) and when I go the gym dragging my a**e there, I work out and ! vwalla! I get energized. its the oxygen! Its the endorphins! its great!
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    On Jan 7 2010 I was 286lbs, I am only 5'9 so needless to say I was fat as hell. I began upper body weight lifting, heavy weight low reps, mostly because I didnt have the energy for much more than that. I tried to walk 3 miles on the treadmill every night. I changed my diet from fast food breakfast, lunch and dinner and 7-8 beers to under 2400 calories a day with far more healthy stuff like salads. As time went on I expanded what I've been able to do.

    But here I am now a little over a year later and I'm 228 and falling, I've lost 8 this month since I've bumped up my effort and workouts and gone even stricter on the diet. Its mostly because about a month ago I got burned really bad by this girl I thought actually would have worked out. Now I'm out to make her realize how stupid she was and make her jealous as hell. I cannot wait for her to come crawling back so I can play with her heart and maybe piss on it.

    Spite and revenge motivate like no other, I don't even care about physical pain right now, I work out a different body section every day to make sure I don't overtrain or not rest properly. The whole "I'm tired" just doesnt come close to stopping me, this bitch is going to ♠♠♠♠ing pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodimus_Prime View Post
    On Jan 7 2010 I was 286lbs, I am only 5'9 so needless to say I was fat as hell. I began upper body weight lifting, heavy weight low reps, mostly because I didnt have the energy for much more than that. I tried to walk 3 miles on the treadmill every night. I changed my diet from fast food breakfast, lunch and dinner and 7-8 beers to under 2400 calories a day with far more healthy stuff like salads. As time went on I expanded what I've been able to do.

    But here I am now a little over a year later and I'm 228 and falling, I've lost 8 this month since I've bumped up my effort and workouts and gone even stricter on the diet. Its mostly because about a month ago I got burned really bad by this girl I thought actually would have worked out. Now I'm out to make her realize how stupid she was and make her jealous as hell. I cannot wait for her to come crawling back so I can play with her heart and maybe piss on it.

    Spite and revenge motivate like no other, I don't even care about physical pain right now, I work out a different body section every day to make sure I don't overtrain or not rest properly. The whole "I'm tired" just doesnt come close to stopping me, this bitch is going to ♠♠♠♠ing pay.
    ^^this, when my unit went to iraq, my one buddy, who i always said looked like them lil african kids in the commercials, started workin out.. I saw him right before we got back, dude was almost twice my size. He went from not bein able to do ♠♠♠♠... to throwin up sets up 330 on the bench, cat got HUGE... He said some folk had made fun of him at the gym when he first got in country.... next time i spoke to him SkaDOOSHHH lol whatever's yer motivation, you jus gotta work it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northvibe View Post
    what do you guys do when you get sick? Cut any working out completely until you feel better? I had just started running and doing my normal lifting then BAM got a good cold this past Friday. I usually just rest until I feel up to it to work out again.
    I rest and drink plenty of fluids and take my vitamins just like normal. I got a nasty case of the stomach flu a couple weeks ago (I could not eat for 2 days) and I had to stop working out for 4 days. Luckily I did not loose any strength.

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    I'm getting back into working out now...after my torn hammy in afghanistan... I'm looking for a good routine to do that wont really aggervate my injury though...any ideas??

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    I am not sure what the status of your torn hamstring is, so I am reluctant to suggest things. But that said: do walking lunges.

    Using a couple of dumbells say 10-15 lbs held in your hands to each side to aid balance and retracting your shoulders, do 4 sets of 20 steps, walking lunges. Start with one giant set forward with your left leg, then the right leg which is left behind, drop the knee slowly to the floor. where knee pads if you want to protect your knee. Then dont push with the right leg, lift straight up with the left leg and stand up bringing your right leg up and stand with both feet together. Repeat with a giant step forward with the right leg. thats step 2. 18 to go.

    rest after each set of 20 30 seconds and stretch the legs by standing on one leg, bend one leg with the foot behind you and pull the foot up with your hand, pull, inhale deep breath exhale pull harder pause and rest. repeat other leg. Round 2 of 4.

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    thanks, I will give that a go once I get to the house today.

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    started to do 30-35 minutes cardio, followed by full body workout, if time permits... gosh, I'll stop looking like the Hulk by......... July /hopes

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