+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 36

Thread: Ion to Cobalt spring conversion

  1. #1
    Powell RaceShop

    qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Canaduh
    Posts
    12,833

    Default Ion to Cobalt spring conversion

    I got a how to here but #1 would hate for the dancing pickle to see it (TTR) and #2 its delta suspension so it should be over there... but anyway its a Redline thing so here we go .
    Step1. The task is to install cobalt size Pedders springs on a Redline. The top hat and spring diameter are different on the Cobalt, (smaller) so stuff has to happen. You need some Cobalt parts ( new top spring plate) some secret shims from me, but I dont make them so you can get them yourself PM me for the size you need and what it is to buy, or I can send them to you for 10 bux. I buy all the GM parts from Tom at CED, he has the part numbers you need. I shoulda replaced the lower plastic gasket for looks I have it I did not. Damn fone keeps ringing while I work .....

    Step 2. Jack the car up jack stands etc, or hoist whatever do it safely, remove wheel.

    Step 3. support control arm, undo top spring retainer,

    remove strut to knuckle cross bolts ( takes a hammer to knock them out as they are a spline fit in the knuckle dont damage the threads, put the nut back on if you are a clumsy ijiit or use a center punch) undo abs connector remove abs wire retainer plate and remove strut. Be carefull not to pull back on rotor as you will pop the axle out of the trans and spill fluid like I did. (Put a drain pan out next time , Qwik)

    Step 4. Go to spring compressor and remove top mount.


    This is a modified strut with Cobalt top plate but the spacer was not enough. So the top mount rubs on the spring hat; see the witness marks.

    If there was no spacer there is brutal big spring clanking and banging. Ask me how I know? Coz GM told me at the roving grounds that it was a straight up swap hat for hat. They were wrong...

    Step 5. Install new shims (new bearing is worth it they are 50 bux each silly plastic things made in Canada at a plant in Stratford Ontario. I cant get into the plant. Tried to get them direct to save money. No way. Just so you know and it is clear to you why, the bearing company is called FAG. 'nuff said.

    Try to ignore the soft jawed vice grips to hold the strut up while I took pictures....no helper.....
    Step 4 . Line up the top spring hat tab with the end of the top spring coil. VIP.

    Torque stuff up. On the Redline the top strut mount is a simple stud so it dont take big torque if you reef on it you will pull the stud out.
    The nut to shaft takes the big torque (81 ft lbs check Mavens sheet here) then the rubber isolator goes on. Use anti seize on the threads of the little torx bolts. DONT overtighten these little suckers. Do them up with a 1/4 drive ratchet....

    Step 5 Put the sucker back in the car.

    You are done. Notice how the steering does not bind any more, and pull one way or the other, if you did this job without spacers...

    You are welcome.
    Last edited by qwikredline; 04-14-2010 at 09:35 PM.
    blue is fastah

  2. #2
    Your excellency
    Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Newark, DE
    Posts
    43,247

    Default

    Wow, John, wow.

    WOW.

    You really like this site to show this off.

  3. #3
    Post Master General G85 SS is an unknown quantity at this point
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Orlando, FL
    Posts
    17,753

    Default

    What's the matter John? Didn't like your IRL springs?



    Jokes aside.

    AWESOME THREAD.

    Steve. Sticky. Naow.


  4. #4
    Your excellency
    Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Newark, DE
    Posts
    43,247

    Default

    Only three threads can be stuck per forum though...I think this is a deserving one...or put into the how to section perhaps.

  5. #5
    Powell RaceShop

    qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Canaduh
    Posts
    12,833

    Default

    "how to " will work dont worry too much about it
    or leave it in here....
    blue is fastah

  6. #6
    Post Master General G85 SS is an unknown quantity at this point
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Orlando, FL
    Posts
    17,753

    Default

    Definitely how to worthy.

    Either way, as long as it is able to be searched up easily for future reference.

  7. #7
    Your excellency
    Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Newark, DE
    Posts
    43,247

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by qwikredline View Post
    "how to " will work dont worry too much about it
    or leave it in here....
    I will leave it stuck here, but a permanent redirect to the how to section so it will be on the top of the Ion section but also be in the how to section


  8. #8
    Post Master General G85 SS is an unknown quantity at this point
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Orlando, FL
    Posts
    17,753

    Default




  9. #9
    Powell RaceShop

    qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Canaduh
    Posts
    12,833

    Default

    thanks steddy I should have control arms and bushings done later tonite I hope unless I run out of time the canopy net here at home is slo compared to internet at work. But i got no time at work...lol
    blue is fastah

  10. #10
    Post Master General G85 SS is an unknown quantity at this point
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Orlando, FL
    Posts
    17,753

    Default

    Too busy doing kewl stoughs like converting suspensions and what not.


  11. #11
    Your excellency
    Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Newark, DE
    Posts
    43,247

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by qwikredline View Post
    thanks steddy I should have control arms and bushings done later tonite I hope unless I run out of time the canopy net here at home is slo compared to internet at work. But i got no time at work...lol
    Hey we ain't going anywhere, do what ya gotta do.

  12. #12
    Apprentice 05Redline is an unknown quantity at this point
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    233

    Default

    Unrelated question to the cobalt spring on redline, but spring related.
    I did my Tein springs the other day, in the rear it looks like maybe 3 of the coils are very close or are in fact sitting on each other.
    I'm just wondering if something was/is wrong (which I don't think you can really mess up the rears lol).
    PhilZoot 11:35 pm
    (11:35:52 PM): y am i getting the stern face


    http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo141/daythecountrydied21/0531001033a-1-1.jpg

  13. #13
    Powell RaceShop

    qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Canaduh
    Posts
    12,833

    Default

    All these extreme lowering springs coil bind and have only one or two coils that actually work. Sorry to say, they are junque, coil bind springs often break and you will have a crappy ride all the time and it will be worse when they break. Other than that you are fine...
    blue is fastah

  14. #14
    Apprentice 05Redline is an unknown quantity at this point
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    233

    Default

    Lol alright thanks. I saw a lot of the autox'ers on RLF used them I figured they were ok. Oh well they'll get replaced eventually. If they last a year or two I'll be happy. They don't feel any different than stock going over bumps and stuff, pretty even drop. I was just concerned about them resting on each other.
    Time to load up on FE5 and Pedders eh? .
    PhilZoot 11:35 pm
    (11:35:52 PM): y am i getting the stern face


    http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo141/daythecountrydied21/0531001033a-1-1.jpg

  15. #15
    Still grey Benfica7 is an unknown quantity at this point Benfica7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    It's pronounced "Ben-feeeka"
    Posts
    781

    Default

    Good golly, ms. molly! Golden Chicken and I were just talking about this a week ago.

    This will be the route I go when I get springs/struts/FE5 CA's. And at FAG!!!!!
    "Fernando is fastaahh than you"

  16. #16
    Powell RaceShop

    qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Canaduh
    Posts
    12,833

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by 05Redline View Post
    Lol alright thanks. I saw a lot of the autox'ers on RLF used them I figured they were ok. Oh well they'll get replaced eventually. If they last a year or two I'll be happy. They don't feel any different than stock going over bumps and stuff, pretty even drop. I was just concerned about them resting on each other.
    Time to load up on FE5 and Pedders eh? .
    You remember a couple of years ago in Nascar before the COT they were coil binding springs? They did it to get the car down and keep it down, many times the springs would break....thats what can happen.

    Sorry to be a downer on it, on the Ontario Cobalt Club forum a couple of days ago someone (Distillion?) posted pictures of H&R springs BROKEN it is frugly...
    blue is fastah

  17. #17
    Powell RaceShop

    qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline is a name known to all qwikredline's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Canaduh
    Posts
    12,833

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Steddy View Post
    Hey we ain't going anywhere, do what ya gotta do.
    done its in your hands all state
    blue is fastah

  18. #18
    Your excellency
    Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy has a brilliant future Steddy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Newark, DE
    Posts
    43,247

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by qwikredline View Post
    You remember a couple of years ago in Nascar before the COT they were coil binding springs? They did it to get the car down and keep it down, many times the springs would break....thats what can happen.

    Sorry to be a downer on it, on the Ontario Cobalt Club forum a couple of days ago someone (Distillion?) posted pictures of H&R springs BROKEN it is frugly...
    Oh my.......

  19. #19
    Apprentice 05Redline is an unknown quantity at this point
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    233

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by qwikredline View Post
    You remember a couple of years ago in Nascar before the COT they were coil binding springs? They did it to get the car down and keep it down, many times the springs would break....thats what can happen.

    Sorry to be a downer on it, on the Ontario Cobalt Club forum a couple of days ago someone (Distillion?) posted pictures of H&R springs BROKEN it is frugly...
    Ouch I could imagine. That's my fear is I'll be doing 100+ and something will go lol.
    PhilZoot 11:35 pm
    (11:35:52 PM): y am i getting the stern face


    http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo141/daythecountrydied21/0531001033a-1-1.jpg

  20. #20
    Still grey Benfica7 is an unknown quantity at this point Benfica7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    It's pronounced "Ben-feeeka"
    Posts
    781

    Default

    You'd have to have power to be going that fast.
    "Fernando is fastaahh than you"

+ Reply to Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts