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    Default 2012 NAIAS: What you should see and what you should not see.

    I just got back from a long day at Cobo Hall for the NAIAS, and thought I'd give a heads up for anyone checking out their local shows, be it NAIAS the remainder of this weekend, Toronto, Montreal, NewYork, Los Angeles, or elsewhere. I have tried my very hardest here to put away ALL of my biases towards any specific Make/Model/Country of origin *couchGermanycough*. Enjoy.

    First off, notable absentees in Detroit:
    Lamborghini (strange as they are launching a new model this year)
    Ferrari
    Aston Martin
    Land Rover
    Jaguar
    Mitsubishi

    I will break the rest down by manufacturer so you can know what to look for and what to skip. I will go in the order I saw them all.

    Audi: Awesome R8 spyder! Look for new fron end styling on the entire model line. Not really a fan of the German cars, but it was refreshing to see Audi get a facelift. Build quality remains strong and fit and finish of ALL were quite possibly better than current models. No concepts or race cars to mention

    Mercedes Benz/Maybach: One Maybach, cool if you're into it, which no one was since it was roped off 5 feet. I can't say I blame them thou. The mercedes lineup remains generally unchanged. Seems mostly that the options lists have grown this year if nothing else.

    Honda: A couple very cool concepts. My fav was the new Accord Concept. A Way sportier body, very nice interior that looked like it wassomething that was taken straight out of one of it's Acura brothers. CB-R was there, an Indy car, was cool to look at I guess. New Civics were there thou I prefer previous gen Civs.

    Ford/Lincoln:THE best display in the entire building. hands down. At least 5 dozen vehicles there. LOTS of interactive stoughs, almost EVERY car you could sit in, or at least touch. Demonatrations, swag galore. Had a Raptor demo. It was on a 2-post and the body lifted right off the powertrain/frame. New Lincoln MK-Z concept blew me away and is a VERY sleek looking ride.Lincoln decided to go ahead with production earlier in the week. Mustang Boss 302 dyno demo, Taurus SHO, new Fusion is boss! Lincoln Lounge was cool,tho not for me. Various Focus and Fiesta models (Ken Block's car was not there sadly). The coolest part was a Race Spec, full rollcaged, stripped interior Focus, which you are able to buy from factory in full race spec. Although I have never been fond of Ford, I give Ford much love for really stepping up their game of late and offering the most customer friendly display. It's really no wonder, after seeing their display, why they did not need a loan to get out of debt. Fresh Thinking has been steering their ship in the right direction of late. Only negative here: I am still leary of the SYNC system. Give it another year or two to get to where it needs to be.

    Shelby/Mazda: About 7 Shelby Mustang models including one which supposedly puts down 800rwhp! Very nice to look at, but mostly all looked the same. Attracted a large bunch of oldtrolls including my father in law! lulz. Mazda's new MX-5, which I have always liked was very nice, RX-8 and Mazda2 prepped race cars were there as well.

    Nissan/Infinity: First thing that you see is a royal blue GT-R front and center. Very nice center piece. New 370Z was very nice, including optional 20" Rays Engineering rims. Interior fit and finish were tops too! Murano Crosscabriolet was pretty cool. Interesting Infinity concept sports car was nice to look at, and the two G37s were in top form in IPl coupe and convertible trims in a candy dark cherry red.

    Subaru: BRZ was front and center in all of its glory! They are supposed to start at 25K which seems like a total steal if all you want is an engine and a steering wheel. A WRX stock, and Isle of Man rally car were there as well to round out the small, but bright display.

    GM: Nothing new from GMC. At. All. Chevrolet had 3 Sparks, which were okay, 2 Sonics, Sonic Boom concept in flat red with body kit and speakers was neat, Sonic Z-spec concept was looking proper in all gloss black. Chev Volt was as was expected. Nice fit and finish interior. If you've never been in one and simply seen pics, it's exactly what you would expect and not really worth waiting in line for. ZL1, ZR1, Hot Wheels edition Camaro in a lime green chrome finish was nice. Buick had all of it's lineup present with a new Verano, which was only ok, and an Encore, which looks like it's based off of the Korean built, Canadian only Chevy Orlando 7 seater. Think smaller than an Enclave and slightly boxier. Cadillac had a CTS-V in all 3 body styles, been there, done that. XTS was reminiscent of the land-yacht Caddies of the mid 90's in terms of body size. It seemed like a sore thumb amongst it Luxury/sport bretheren. ATS was less than I was expecting. I think I was let down the MOST by the GM display as it lacked visuals, auditory aids, and a general bland aura gave their display a lacklustre finish.

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    Lex/Toyota/Scion: Lexus LFA was there *drool*other than that, the three sedans that were in attendance had identical bodies, and were clad in the same color. Even the SUVs were there, and lots of them, but the song still remains the same as the sedans. Toyota had a lot of stuff, but I felt like an A.D.D. kid in a prison cell. It was a large display, but had 5 Corollas, and 4 Camrys and 2 Venzas. Lots of lights and things to look at, but I was very bored. I WANTED OUT. I wandered over to Scion for the sole purpose of an encounter with the FR-S. They did not make any fuss over it, and quite frankly, I would have missed it had I not been looking for it specifically. Finished in a non-eyecatching grey, in a low light setting amongst a sea of boxxy econocars, I left another display dissapointed. Based alone on what I saw today, My choice still remains the Subaru BRZ.

    Volkswagen: Awesome display, although its core lineup remains the same. I found myself strangely fascinated with the E-Bugster. Had a previous gen bug body, slightly boxier in all the right places, from the glass down, and had a chopped-style roof reminiscent of a late 60's Camaro. This was tied for my favourite car in the house with the MK-Z concept.

    Mini: Nothing much has changed. Mostly seemed like they were there to show off factory performance accessory support, and to keep themselves in the publie eye.

    BMW: Excellent display in therms of visual aides, M5 was may fav, although most of the lineup seems unchanged.

    Bentley: 3 Models in show, all very nice, but found that all you could do was look at them. There were no company reps there to even help show them off. Seemed like their display could have been stuffede in the darkest corner of the building and no one would have cared, including the company.

    Tesla: I saw the large overhead sign, and grew excited. Display was simple, not very well lit, very little info on the car was available. Became very dissapointed and moved on, although I remain hopeful and optimistic for their future.

    Smartcar: Nothingnew.com Meh.

    Hyundai: Genesis coupe was a very nice centerpeice to their display. Reps willing to give you any info you desired. Every car was available to sit in with the exception of the Veloster, which I was very let down by. Again, I was very excited to see it, but left dissapointed. Rest of their lienup remains beautifully simple.

    Acura: Every one was in black. All seem to have recieved an elegant facelift. Another pit of grey hair and receding hairlines tho! New NSXconcept had it strong points, but based on the way concepts go, it has a lot of work before you see on the streets.

    Mopar: Display was so big that I got lost in it a couple times. Dodge Dart was nice. was a mini-Charger, which was right next to ITS larger version, the Challenger. The entire RAM lineup remains largely unchanged. Jeep lineup remains largely unchanged, with the exception of the BADASS COD MW3 edition Jeep. No SRT Jeeps were present. I enjoyed the fresh styling of the Chrysler 300C and the newest convertible to the Mopar crew, the 200, which replaced the somewhat outdated Sebring. Definitly worth a look. Fiats weren't much to look at, but all the reps were HOT italian girls in TIGHT one piece leather Abarth suits, reminiscent of something you might wear on a crotch rocket. DAT ASS!!!

    Volvo: I have always had a place in my heart for the Sweedes. The C70 in Coupe and Convertible seemed to take a page out of the book of the Saab 9-3 in terms of styling and put a new spin on it. Were nice to look at, but small display lost my interest quickly. The C30 couple hald my interest for a short burst of time tho. Volvo was hit or miss depending on your tastes.

    Porsche: Glitz and glam, but largely unchanged. Nice to look at but I lost interest quickly. Definitely a wonderland for all the AWD fanatics.

    CODA: An upstart company from California looking to distribute their all electric product in Fall across the country and to select parts of Canada. They have one model of car, and have 3 options; paint color, leather seats, and uplevel sound system.The simplicity of these cars will be their strongest point. They are said to get 50Mi to a charge (80km approx) and plug in to a standard 110v wall socket. The body styling is reminiscant of Chevrolet's Optra, but less of a 'cheap chiwanese' impression. These will go for $37,500 with up to $7,500 in rebates depending on which state you live in. Worth checking this company out for sure.

    Falcon Motorsports: One of the hidden gems of the show. They had one car and 2 eye candies which I don't know how I missed on my first 2 laps of the building. Their F7 was their sole model. With the rear end reminiscant or a Spyker, the front of the new Dodge Dart, with some REALLY agressive styling tweaks, this made-in-Michagan beauty was an eyecatcher. Boasts a rear engine LS7, and weighs less than 2,800lbs, it's body is almost entirely consistand of hand-laid carbon fibre. DON'T MISS THIS!!!!!
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    Orlando is based off the Delta II platform.

    Encore sits on the Gamma II.

    Same as the Sonic.

    Also the XTS is meant to fill the void of the the now dead STS and DTS.

    Expect a RWD flagship from Caddy in the near future.

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    Correct on all of the above accounts, just saying Orlando looks a lot like an Encore.

    XTS, yes fills the void of DTS and STS, which I thought I had said looked like the landyachts (Deville and Seville) of the mid ninteys.

    I would be very interested to see what Cadillac has in mind for their new flagship. Personally I like the CTS, but it's somewhat dated now. I still hope they keep it around.

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    Nice writeup.

    I think the CTS changes for 2014 or 2015. They wont miss that, CTS is Caddies best seller.

    The BRZ has grown on me too, I dont really have a style preference between it and the FRS anymore, but the FRS should be at least $3k cheaper, so thats a no brainer.

    Falcon F7 is neat, kinda like a Spyker C8 and a Ferrari 308 got busy. But way too much bling for me.
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    CTS is great! Love it. Large step up from what the Catera touring sedan used to be. If it is in coupe and wagon for as well, should it not be called CTC and CTW? meh I knew a revamp was in its future, but I had no idea when. Hopefully they upgrade the engine over the 3.6. Crappy timing cahain are crappy and a pain in the neck.

    Just based alone on how their products were presented, Subaru seems to want the sales, and are willing to earn them the most. I get the impression that Toyota feels that the sales will just fall into their hands. In hindsight, I used a poor analogy, but I still feel the same about the Yoda,Lex,Sci display. I felt let down by it, and felt that they weren't trying AT ALL to pump anything except the LFA, which, quite frankly, even though all 500 will make a 100% immediate sale on them, 99.5% of people there will never own one. The point of the show is to advertise and win over customers. Even if it is 3k less, as a budget minded person, I would STILL take the Subaru. Subaru did their job, they made up my mind yesterday. Toyota did sweet fork all!

    Falcon F7's handlaid carbon fibre is sexy. Period. I think I now offically prefer hand prepared CF to cookie cutter, more 'aesthetically refined' CF. Something about the seams, I guess, can't say for certain. Better parentage for to F7 too Maven.

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    Toyota designed all the bodywork and did the engine controls. Ifs not that I don see the values in the BRZits just that none of the added pieces interest me.
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    CTS doesn't stand for Catera Touring Sedan, hence why the wagon and coupe aren't called CTW or CTC.

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    ok, what does it stand for?

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    Nothing, lol.

    It's just a name.

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    ok children simmer down!
    Maybach is dropped surpised they had it there, cherish the view its done. should never have been
    the rest of your commentary is very good.
    smart car is along with mercedes dead in the water.
    also chevrolet ugh
    sad
    interested you went to dtw instead of yyz....lol

    u be coming to yyz soon i will go to sudsberry get ur springy thingys

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    Quote Originally Posted by deftonesfan867 View Post
    Nothing, lol.

    It's just a name.
    CTS = Catera Touring Sedan
    ETC = Eldorado Touring Coupe
    DTS = Deville Touring Sedan
    STS = Seville Touring Sedan

    Do (home)work!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwikredline View Post
    ok children simmer down!
    Maybach is dropped surpised they had it there, cherish the view its done. should never have been
    the rest of your commentary is very good.
    smart car is along with mercedes dead in the water.
    also chevrolet ugh
    sad
    interested you went to dtw instead of yyz....lol

    u be coming to yyz soon i will go to sudsberry get ur springy thingys

    woke redline up tonite, garage organized much better.... really want to drive it, but i been looking at what winter does to cars.....no siree bob damn straight redline stays tucked in nice and warm till spring.

    good cavvy/ poor cavyy/ wntr btr cavvy/ i heart u...lol
    Yep, Father in law and some one of his work buddies went down. I bummed a ride. Work is on a progressive sched since surgery, no workie for me. Can't wait til fall when I get my wheels back. Can go wherever I want. like yyz. I was well surprised at Motown's setup in Cobo. MUCH larger than Toronto, and all in 1 building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deftonesfan867 View Post
    Nothing, lol.

    It's just a name.
    lol u be pwnd
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    omg with the RUSH! I went to YOUR country! lmfao

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    Quote Originally Posted by doogie_13 View Post
    CTS = Catera Touring Sedan
    ETS = Eldorado Touring Coupe
    DTS = Deville Touring Sedan
    STS = Seville Touring Sedan

    Do (home)work!!!
    Nice list.

    Never mind the fact that the CTS isn't short for anything and the others are no longer with us.

    SRX? XTS? ATS?

    Mind telling me what those are short for?

    When the first generation CTS came out even GM said the name isn't short for Catera Touring Sedan.

    BTW the last STS didn't even stand for Seville Touring Sedan because it was nothing more than the sportier version of the SLS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deftonesfan867 View Post
    Nice list.

    Never mind the fact that the CTS isn't short for anything and the others are no longer with us.

    SRX? XTS? ATS?

    Mind telling me what those are short for?

    When the first generation CTS came out even GM said the name isn't short for Catera Touring Sedan.

    BTW the last STS didn't even stand for Seville Touring Sedan because it was nothing more than the sportier version of the SLS.
    Yeah, CTS doesnt actually stand for anything.... and if it did, which it doesnt, it sure as ♠♠♠♠ wouldnt be Catera.

    The problem with that list is those are all names of models that actually where called that, and had real names.... The ETC was a level of ElDorado, but the car was still called an Eldo never just ETC. The CTS never had a "name"
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    GM wants you to forget about the ♠♠♠♠ty Opel.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maven View Post
    Yeah, CTS doesnt actually stand for anything.... and if it did, which it doesnt, it sure as ♠♠♠♠ wouldnt be Catera.

    The problem with that list is those are all names of models that actually where called that, and had real names.... The ETC was a level of ElDorado, but the car was still called an Eldo never just ETC. The CTS never had a "name"
    wasnt the etc in the eldo for electronic traction control?
    or because the cars were irrelevant they were just et cetera? lol

    big caddies show how far GM have not come.

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